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is for the president if the economy slips into a recession. we are talking about 2013 having no growth. >> it would be horrible. >> yeah. so it's a little hard to see what the game is. as kim was mentioning, the president wants these tax increases. it seems to me we will go through this sort of scorpion dance the rest of the year. what did the president campaign on? what was the one thing i think most people would say that he campaigned on? that was raising tax rates on the wealthiest, the two top rates. that's the thing that i think is on the table. and the -- >> but the republicans put that on the table. >> the republicans have put that on the table. >> at least through deductions. debate the rates or deductions. but they are willing to put it on the table. the question is what do the president give the republicans in return, if anything? >> i think that's what the republican position should be. say we have committed to what you campaigned on. if you are not willing to talk about reducing spending, then we aren't going to be able to do a deal with you, and i think that puts the political onus to
hurting our economy and creating jobs. today, the white house has demanded an offer from republicans. they now have one. back to you. llri: rich edson, and he thinks. the market is taking a breather today. dupont and 3m are the biggest draggers on the dow. early stocks rising out of the gate out of some good news out of china over the night. hitting a seven month high, but then the u.s. isf number hit at 10:00 a.m. eastern and a wave of selling. manufacturing activity contracted in november. they say the factory index came in at 49.5 in november. down from almost 52 and october. keep in mind, any number below 50 means contraction. above 50 equals expansion. investors are still worried about tax treatment and dead deals. exelon, the worst of the bunch our first guest has seen it all. the u.s. economy they fall into a recession next year even if congress strikes a budget deal by year end. joining us from stanford, california, martin feldstein. thank you for being with us. the republicans now responding. negotiations well underway to avoid a fiscal cliff. to your point, you recently sai
right for her. i really do believe that. the economy has to be good and she has to decide that it the national mood is going to be such in 2016 that the country is going to want to stick with a democrat. >> michael tomasky, good to have you with us. s that "the ed show." and tomorrow night nancy pelosi will join me to talk about the fiscal cliff. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> good evening, ed. thank you. thanks to you at home for staying with us. if you get a tweet from president obama, you will know it by his signature. the president has an official twitter account from which all sorts of on message things get tweeted. but the white house says you know when a tweet has been written by the president himself because in that case the tweet gets a little initial signature. a "bo" in lower case. barack obama, as in i the president wrote this tweet. if it was a dog, it would be the paw print. the president was writing his own tweet this is afternoon. the string of twitter messages about the budget negotiations in washington. the white house announcing in advance
together and reach an agreement that's going to be good for the country and for the economy. >> then what now? with democratic senator mark warner and kelli ayote. benghazi and obama's second term. former hewlett-packard ceo carly fiorina. i'm candy crowley. and this is "state of the union." >>> republicans call -- sufficed to say, it is unacceptable to them. the president's opening round offer includes $1.6 trillion in new taxes, $400 billion in savings from medicare and other entitlement programs, $50 billion in new stimulus spending, and an additional $285 billion to fund depreciation and mortgage programs, unemployment insurance benefits, and payroll tax cuts. >> this extra spending, heats actually greater than the amount they're willing to cut. i mean, it's -- it was not a serious proposal. >> wile his aides were on capitol hill offering up the opening bid, the president was making his case in pennsylvania campaign style. >> at the end of the day a clear majority of americans, democrats, republicans, independents, they agreed with a balanced approach. deficit reduction. >> after the
need liken fraught structure. we think that's what is good for the economy. if they have different suggestions and want to go further in some areas, they should lay it out to us. >> you say they are in a hard spot, what do you mean? >> they are trying to figure out how to find a way to support things that they know they are going to have to do that will be very hard for them. you've heard them for the first time in two decades now acknowledge that they are willing to have revenues go up as part of the balanced plan. that's a it good first step but they have to tell us what they are willing to do on rates and revenues. and they have to tell us on the spending side if they want to go beyond where we are or do it differently and they have to tell us what makes sense to them. what we can't do, chris; try to figure out what works for them. >> the president campaigned for re-election on the idea of a, quote, balanced approach, end quote, to deficit reduction. a mixture of tax increases and spending cuts. here's the plan that the republicans say you presented to them this week. >> i can t
that there may be some more demand coming for the metal from china and the u.s. as well. as both of our economies begin to churn a little more than expected. the top two copper-consuming countries. >> and following auto sales today, a number of derivatives plays hitting 52-week highs. cooper tire and rubber, genuine parts and carmax taking a hit in today's session. david: all right. and we told you about that breaking news on jpmorgan whale trader, a $5 billion loss for the company. the senate has been investigating. peter barnes with the latest on that investigation. peter? >> reporter: well, that's right, david. the senate, a senate investigation subcommittee has questioned more than 80 people in its probe of $5.8 billion in trading losses in may by jpmorgan chase, the london whale trading losses, according to two people familiar with the investigation. now, according to the sources the people -- according to one of the sources, the people include current and former jpmorgan employees as you would expect. now, reports of this probe first -@surfaced in the fall. now we can report that investigat
on us all. now through january 2nd. >>> record-breaking corporate profits show the economy is well on the road to recovery. what does it mean for workers? i'll give you some numbers and sam stein will be along with the conversation. >>> and world leaders say farewell to hillary clinton with a ringing endorsement. you'll want to see this video. michael tomasky on whether hillary clinton will make a run for the white house in 2016. share your thoughts on facebook and on twitter. we're coming right back. from easy, breezy, beautiful covergirl. i have obligations. cute tobligations, but obligations.g. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thank
, people. i hope you're not either. coming up tomorrow, what was once a dark spot in the economy is becoming the shining star in the recovery. why the quick tu around? that's all for on the. thanks for joining us. have a great night. see you right back here tomorrow. ♪ lew: good evening, everybody. u.s. foreign policy in the middle east in question at this hour. violence spiring outf contro in syria after 20 months of civil unrest and the deas of at least 40,000 murdered civilians at the hands of their own government. united states and nato agreeing to deploy patriot weapons and to thwart an aso-called by assad. the missile systems to be positioned near the syria. his staff denies that and estimates if they were deploy troops, it requires 75,000 of the troops in a full ground invasionn order seize the chemical weapon stockpile. fox news confirming they were not ordered to draft the consideration of such a mission. secretary of state clinton is nonetheless talking very tough calling for assad to step down as the obama administration has done for the past 15 months, b refusing,
of the economy is for everyone to pay more in taxes and guarantee a form of public goods. the most successful democracy is where it is structured around universe albens where everyone pays in and makes use of what the state provides. now, no leaders are making that argument. in the short run, they are right not to. getting rid of the entirety of the bush tax cuts for all brackets hurts the recovery. once we are in the recovery, we have to do at least that and more. the question is, does the death of the consensus mean american voters are ready to hear that? how will this president or the next make the case? joining me today, governor of connecticut, a senior research fellow at george mason university. senior economic director at naacp and a fellow at the roosevelt institute. it's great to have you all here. i like when i do these spiels, listen to withering criticism from the panel. what do you think of the thesis, at least about the politics of the undoing of the consensus? >> i think this focus on grover is just it's wrong. i mean grover is just one guy advocating for a position that i thin
, doesn't you agree, would be tremendous not only to him but to the economy and to our country. >> and we want to bring in and say good morning to congresswoman diane black, a republican from tennessee, a member of the house budget and ways and means committee. congresswoman, is great to have you with me right now. as we speak, house minority leader nancy pelosi is giving her briefing this morning. weep put that up for everybody to see. when we talk about where we are in the staging of all of this, all the drama, the back and forth, the clock ticking, americans truly watching this, you think that the house would be in session today but you all closed up house day early, streamed out yesterday in a walkout. what gives? how do you explain this to the american people when they expect you should be at work trying to resolve this? >> i'm not sure you would call it a walkout. we're waiting for the president to act. we have laid something on the table and we continue to be stalemated by the president and his administration. i am so disappointed that the treasury, geithner, said yesterday they're
that will affect your spending, lifestyles or the economy in any significant way. >> yes, indeed. the president is standing confident standing firm on middle class tax cuts and against any effort by republicans to throw the debt ceiling into the equation. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tieç negotiations to debt ceilg votes and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation, i will not play that game. >> as the president perfects his steely gaze, keep in mistake he's keeping side eye on splintering cracks appearing amongst congressional republicans' supposedly solid front. >> personally u i know we are to raise revenue. i don't care which way we do it. i would rather see the rates go up than do it the other way. >> let's take the american people out of the line of fire. particularly that 98%. >> maybe there's something in the oklahoma water supply. if republican lawmakers are falling pray to the mendacious middle class those at fox news are standing up for the needs of those persecuted top earners. >> this is a different america. how did w
and workers. john: singapore has a booming economy. no minimum-wage comment no laws against discrimination. if you fire, four weeks termination notice and unemployment is at 2%. >> you can start of business, flexible, hire and fire and it makes it attractive. john: thank you anne jolis and thank god we don't have those dumb laws. we have plenty. weird getting more and people want more like a guaranteed vacation. >> absolutely. we work too hard. france and italy six weeks is normal. john: america does not have mandatory vacation but we have 170,000 pages of federal rules and they keep passing more. it shows how america has recovered since the great depression. to sit out this graph from dan mitchell because of these rules add this up and the government spending, tax increase coming can understand when our entrepreneurs think i do not want to hire people then i want to keep my company small then i am stuck with a mandate. i am worried we become like you're up at the same time that model is falling apart. john: we did have these laws but not as many. >> as much as seven like the regulated lai
-breaking corporate profits show the economy is well on the road to recovery. what does it mean for workers? i'll give you some numbers and sam stein will be along with the conversation. . >>> and world leaders say farewell to hillary clinton with a ringing endorsement. you'll want to see this video. michael tomasky on whether hillary clinton will make a run for the white house. share your thoughts on facebook and on twitter. we're coming right back. or that printing in color had to cost a fortune. nobody said an all-in-one had to be bulky. or that you had to print from your desk. at least, nobody said it to us. introducing the business smart inkjet all-in-one series from brother. easy to use. it's the ultimate combination of speed, small size, and low-cost printing. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. republicans are doing a lot of maneuvering on the fiscal cliff. president obama and the democrats have put forward a plan relying mostly on raising more revenue from the wealthiest 2% of the country. republicans rely mostly on cuts affecting the middle class and the poor and
back then, barack obama believed that lowering rates was good for the economy. dagen and connell, it is yours. connell: the war on wealth is where we begin today. dagen: get the government out of the markets. connell: the devil wears -- becoming our next ambassador to britain. dagen: holiday travelers paying up. the average ticket price topping $450. connell: everyone needs a few days off. it is the top of the hour. we will go to nicole petallides. good morning. nicole: good morning. let's take a look at what is going on here. let's take a look at jardin restaurants. it turns out they are not meeting the analyst expectations. let's take a look at the stock. it is near its lows of he day. their earnings will miss the analyst estimates. same-store sales dropping 3.2%. as a result, sales have diminished. how about the major market averages? the dow is higher, but the s&p and the nasdaq are lower. dagen: republicans finally pulling off their own plan to deal with the fiscal cliff. connell: the white house predictably saying, no deal. the parameters are there now. we can start to ima
show again. >> great to be with you, thank you. gerri: everything's hanging in the banse, economy, middle class income, taxes, you name it, and you and your fellow house members are not going to work. >> well, wait, this is a 24-hour day job, seven days a week. i'm in new york tomorrow looking at the hospitals affected in hurricane sandy, and i feel like i need to do the ground work to investigate that for myself. gerri: you're doing work, but not all the people you work with in washington are. some are just taking time off before the holidays when this big issue is on the plate. nancy pelosi had to say about this. >> we should be here and came as a surprise, and i'm really surprised that the republicans would leave. we maim in tuesday, and we left wednesday at twelve o'clock noon. with all that needs to be done, avoiding the conversation, sounds like people don't want to be in town for some reason. gerri: does she have a right -- are the republicans trying to avoid the conversation? >> no, absolutely not. we had a hearing this morning in the joint economic committee on this issue
: without affordable energy we have no economy and that is for sure bad for my children. we have no jobs. we have no industry. >> why is the fastest growing new source of energy in this country wind energy or distributed solar. melissa: because it is completely supported by the government and by my tax dollars. >> not even close to as much as --. melissa: absolutely no money to spend on these things you know what -- >> actually big oil, gas and coal are actually much more heavily subsidized. melissa: you and disagree what is subsidy is. that is fine for debate for another time. we agree to disagree. do you know crayons, made from petroleum. >> right. maybe that is essential use in your view. we don't need to drive our cars with petroleum. we can use --. melissa: we do, because i don't want to pay $59 a gallon for biofuel. >> we need to use government and our taxpayer dollars wisely. melissa: i do too. >> make sure we use technology that actually doesn't exacerbate climate change and actually --. melissa: electricity comes from coal and nuclear? you like coal and nuclear. >> also comes from s
over $250,000 paying a higher tax. they have confidence in this economy, perhaps the reason that your party saw success in the election. what do you make of this notion that, again, some republicans say the president doesn't get small business or economic growth somehow? >> well, i think the american people roundly rejected that. they think the president gets it. that's why they voted for the president. more than that, economists think the president gets it. this really is a balanced approach, and i don't think any credible economist will tell you we can simply cut our way out of the current deficits and debt. we need new revenues, and where should they come from? should they come from a middle class or working families that have really struggled or had setbacks in the last decade, or should it come from families that have done very well and can be asked to do more? if you look at the prosperity we enjoyed during the clinton administration when the tax rates were higher on upper income families, that certainly didn't kill economic growth. we have incredible economic growth during the
. it really helps the economy. gerri: or something surprising here. we have a comparison, brightwork state versus nonwhite work state. we just showed weight increases by higher then any nonwhite work state. how is that possible? >> what it does is a big open for business sign to attract businesses to the state. lawmakers in the state are putting workers and job creators about special interests. and they know that they won't have to -- that the politicians won't be putting anyone else ahead of the jobs. gerri: job growth shrinking in the united states. it really does involve michigan. it's what happened with detroit auto workers. their jobs shrinking. they're definitely on the decline. other workers in the south. and there is a clear case study of the power of the work states -- the right to work states. not for those who employ people come up before the workers. >> that is right. the auto industry -- the american auto industry is actually coming back. but it's coming back in the right to work states where we have the very stringent right to work state. all the auto workers are making more
. >> and some people fear going off of the cliff could cost thousands of jobs and push our fragile economy back in recession. it seems like we have been down this road before. that deal according to the president and congressional republicans is far from a sure thing. the president said it was a so-called balanced approach to solve this crisis and what he proposed this week was a classic bait and switch on the american people. >> it is unacceptable for republicans to hold middle class tax hostage because they refuse to let them go up on the wealthiest americans. >> people saying that the deal he offered doesn't look like a deal. steve is live in the washington bureau. is there any movement on either side. >> not much. a few republicans who are willing to talk about higher tax rev news but not higher tax rates. the president made a direct appeal to the public. the toy factory in pin pen. he urged congress to pass a bill and extend the era tax cuts for middle class only. >> congress could prevent a tax hike on the first 250,000, of everybodiy income. that means 98 percent of americans and nen per
this one, and that's good for the american economy. >> republicans believe the reason the president is going light on spending cuts while demanding the budget deal include another increase in the nation's debt ceiling is clear. >> this is not about getting a handle on deficits or debt for him. it's about spending even more than he has. >> white house aids reject the republican claims that holding the debt limit over the president's head is the only mechanism to get him to trim spending. >> you're just going to keep at the debt limit goes higher, you spend more money. you and congress, both. >> that's false. president signed into law a trillion dollars in discretionary cuts. the president has a specific proposal to achieve $600 billion in savings from entitlement programs like health care entitlement programs. >> jay compared republican pressure on the debt ceiling to a hostage taking. >> a profoundly bad idea that i think could not be more frightening for american businesses, and american workers. >> treasury secretary tim geithner may have frightened people yesterday saying the whi
. you're talking about something that would do tremendous damage to the domestic economy. everybody agrees with this. president obama as president at least twice made the argument, raising taxes including raising taxes just on the wealthy would hurt the economy. he is doing something he previously said would hurt the economy. melissa: that is absolutely true but please,,guys, show me that full screen another time. on the spending side of the ledger none of those cuts are big enough to make any kind of a difference, whether we're talking about going over the cliff or talking about even the gop plan. if you keep in mind we're spending $4 billion a day that we currently have a debt of $16.3 trillion. depending on whose estimates you look at we'll have a deficit 1.1, 1.2 or $1.4 trillion a year. >> yes. melissa: none of those things curb the spending we're doing. >> no, right. melissa: that is what i thought was shocking and distressing about crunching these numbers. >> you're absolutely right. the most important way to look at iscal cliff debate, the math is fine to go through it but
of popping off of the fha. if you look at where we stand right now, as an economy, we have a very modest recovery. it is most likely going to happen. connell: the significance of it is, in your mind, what? >> what needs to happen is we need to take note that we are subsidizing the fha again. while the fha is great for lower income borrowers, we are still allowing people to buy properties where they want after they post on the property, they are upside down on our property. that is where we need to be cautious. connell: we talk about it all the time, the housing numbers that are showing improvement. if people are only putting down, you know, the 3.5%, are we getting ourselves into a similar hole to the ones we are trying to dig ourseeves out of? >> unfortunately, we may have. the loans that the fha have increased in the past ten years, has increased tenfold. when you look at that type of fan increase in the increased exposure for the fha, there are years were barely fha loans were written. today it is a very big percentage of the market. we need to prophet fha up short term and then refor
, there is progress in some key sectors of our economy. we've seen housing finally begin to bounce back for the first time and that has an enormous ripple effect throughout the economy. consumer confidence is as high as it's been. many of you over the last two or three years have experienced record profits or near record profits and have a lot of money in plants and equipment and hire folks. obviously globally, the economy is still soft. europe is going to be in the doldrums for quite some time, asia is not charging forward and some of the emerging markets are not charging forward as quickly as they were maybe a few years ago, but i think all of you recognized and many of you told me is that everybody's looking to america, because they understand if we're able to put forward a long-term agenda for growth and prosperity that's broad-based here in the united states, that confidence will not just increase here in the united states, it will increase globally and we can get the virtuous cycle that i think all of us have been waiting for and want to see. what's holding us back right now ironically is a lot
, that is a really crummy solution and how the market i and the economy reactso that? >> i agree with you, and only be a short-term solution before going off the cliff. melissa: does not achieve anything real. except avoiding going off the cliff. i made it clear that was the sole purpose of it, say okay, show us what you're really going to do. again, have attacked both sides of the budget. right now they are not even have having meaningful discussions on that. i'm suffering from fiscal cliff fatigue i think it will get worse because the end of the year is approaching. melissa: thank you for coming on. lori: way to bring it home. spending cuts, looking at even more spending or the possibility of that. housing secretary donovan branding how he hopes to avoid a government bailout for the fha. it seems like more dollar signs out there to me, peter. >> that is right. the housing secretary cannot rule it out. washington is certainly closer to one after the latest audit of the fha fund has a capital reserve shortfall of $16.3 billion. the administration says it is too soon to say whether the fha will need
not interfere with the economy the way it was beginning to. oil stepped back about one and three-quarters percent today closing at $86.38. liz: the ecb cutting at least the rate forecast of growth and so, nonetheless, that didn't help the picture, but the tech sector rallying today. as we mentioned, apple helping to push the rebounded after yesterday's steep drop. it hit a four-year low yesterday. let's look at iyw, apple makes up more than 22% of this etf which also holds tech heavyweights ibm and microsoft, three-quarters of a percent gain, and then the tech etf xlk also rose today. the fund's very large holding is, of course, apple. >>> we've got two ceos coming up that you are going to want to listen to. tom is the ceo of tmx group. it owns and operates the toronto stock exchange to our neighbors in the north, here in studio talking about the changing landscape for exchanges. the possibility of more acquisitions to come. david: and we're also going to be talking with the ceo and president of choice hotels, this is steve joyce. steve is going to be talking about their expansio
what th called a self-created recession hurt the world economy. the paper went on to school lawmakers here saying that the u.s. should act like a responsible power. oh, boy. of course, china's interest is purely self-interest here. the last thing he needs it needs is a slowdown in consumer spending. after all, where wld the chinese and their economy be if it weren't for america? that's right. a lot more to come during this hour. what this tax fairness mean? i will break down the numbers. folks like warren buffett don't want to talk about this. and aaa and unusual warning about a blend of gasoline. the federal government wants you to start using the gas. to start using the gas. but will it damage your twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the art of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includ
-created recession hurt the world economy. the paper went on to school lawmakers here saying that the u.s. should act like a responsible power. oh, boy. of course, china's interest is purely self-interest here. the last thing he needs it needs is a slowdown in consumer spending. after all, where would the chinese and their economy be if it weren't for america? that's right. a lot more to come during this hour. what this tax fairness mean? i will break down the numbers. folks like warren buffett don't want to talk about this. and aaa and unusual warning about a blend of gasoline. the federal government wants you to start using the gas. ♪ [ enginene revs ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] the mercedes-benz winter event is back, with the perfect vehicle that's just right for you, no matter which list you're on. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 c250 for $349 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. gerri: look, i am no expert on media bias, but the media solving the fiscal cliff. the huffington post reporting that the offer to avert disaster sparks gopoutrage. "the new york times"
're going to talk about the fiscal cliff, we're going to talk about the global economy. we're going to talk about the civil war in syria. we'll talk about the royal baby coming soon. first we want to get right to zoraida sambolin for an update on the day's top stories. >> soledad, the fiscal cliff debacle, with 28 days remaining before drastic tax hikes and spending cuts take effect, a republican spending plan has been rejected by the white house. brianna keilar is live from washington. what now, brianna? >> well, right now it's about the pressure building and the clock kicking, zoraida. as house republicans in the white house try to ultimately broker a deal between two very different plans. house speaker john boehner's counteroffer, if you take a look at the headlines from this $800 billion in what would be savings from tax reform. so that is new tax revenue. but not done by increasing income tax rate on the wealthiest. but instead by closing tax loopholes, eliminating tax credits. and also $600 billion in health savings. that's what you'd get from entitlement reform. from reforming medica
the economy is going to be hurt and i think both sides, especially the president deserve blame. stuart: who will get the blame? >> the republicans clearly are going to get the blame and hurting themselves. stuart: but we may go into a much slower economy and hurts the president. >> bad news for the president and even worse news for the the american people. stuart: i agree with that. all right, doug, not bad the at all. >> still a democrat. stuart: is that a tag line to every interview? >> it may well be. doug, thanks very much indeed. >> the so the president has made it very, very clear, drawn a line, no fiscal cliff deal without higher tax rates for the highest earningers, tax rates have got to go up. question, what will speaker boehner have to say about that? his reaction will be new at ten this morning. mark stein is going to be here as well and he'll join us to explore that and more. we have an oil and mining deal to tell, but. freeport mcmoran and copper and gold will have exploration and two separate deals for 9 billion in cash and stock. i'm not quite sure what all of that means. jus
economy and a fiscal mess. >> our people in an overwhelming way supported the reelection of this president, and there ought to be a quid pro quo and you ought to exercise leadership on that. >> you want the answer to solving the fiscal cliff? we put an offer on the table. the president now has to engage. >> you might even say he'll inherit these problems. >> the president is going away for christmas. he's going to hawaii for 20 something days. where am i going to be? where are my neighbors going to be? we're not going to have a place called home. where is the help? >> what's holding us back right now is a lot of stuff that's going on in this town. >> after the election of jimmy carter, he went to washington, d.c. and came back home with some bacon. >> that's right. >> that's what you do. >> the fact is this president basically i don't think wants to work with congress. >> we do not have a taxation problem. we've got a wildly out of control spending problem. >> i'll be here, and i'll be available any moment. >> we believe that despite obvious resistance to what has to be the framework of a
. cliffhanger. i don't know. if the economy falls in the forest and no one is here to hear it is there a sound. yesterday the republicans blame the democrats and the democrats blame the republicans. john had a exclusive with chris wallace. >> brian: chris wallace sat down with jone boehner. >> steve: here is mr. boehner describing the impression at the moment of what tim geithner was trying to sell him. >> i was ghasted and i looked at him and said you can't be serious. i never seen like it we have 7 weeks before election day andepped of the year. three of those weeks are wasted with this nonsense. >> y are talking about roughly. timothy depite gite saying we'll raise taxes 1.6 trillion and washington will increase taxes on capitol gains and we would like to say we like the power to raise the debt ceiling any time we want for the executive branch which is unconstitutional. >> steve: it is not 39 or 35 percent. all nonstarters in the world of negotiation. >> gretchen: two things to discuss. why is it tim geithner doing the discussions inted of the president of the united states. let me know if
billion slashed from domestic programs. an estimated 2 million jobs could be lost pushing the economy back into a recession adding to the misery to those facing tough times by ending jobless benefits for the long term unemployed. steve is live in washington. where do we stand at this point? >> reporter: two sides did do something today. they appeared on the sunday talk shows but they haven't negotiated an actual deal. john boehner blasted the white house plan which was put forward last week. boehner says the president essentially wasted the last three weeks since the election with nonsense. >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion worth of new revenue over ten years, twice as much as he been asking for in public. stimulus spending that exceeded the amount of new cuts he was willing to consider. it was not a serious offer. >> reporter: and boehner says he was flabbergasted when he was given the proposal. >> heather: and democrats are defending themselves? >> treasury-secretary tim geithner on fox news defending the president's plan for raising revenues, cutting spending and reduce the d
that really makes the entire economy go. alisyn: is the problem that the fha facing still about low-income borrowers, the very demographic that got them in trouble with mortgages to begin with? >> reporter: there is a whole lot of that. you see it up and down the spectrum. you see wealthy people who ended up in homes they shouldn't have pwougtd. it was mone bought. money was so easy to get. the housing market isn't recovering because you can't get money to pweufplt the interest rates so low, lots of product out there on the market place to buy. can you get a loan? maybe not. >> it's so hard to get a mortgage even with all of these great rates. when can that turn around? >> reporter: you think if the economy would pick up and employment recovered, as soon as people get jobs and they start getting a paycheck, they can make all their bills then they start thinking about buying that next house or maybe upgrading. a lot of people aren't upgrading right now because they are underwater in their mortgage, they owe more than theworth. they are sitting tight until something improves. it's a r
to the economy. >> that's all the control they have left. they don't want to lose that in two years. back to the math to dig into this. they need, what? $900 billion -- >> a $1.1 trillion deficit, one $2 billion a year so debt does not grow a percent of gdp. >> how do we get there? the number on the table last week from the democrats on the entitlements was $400 billion. >> over ten years. >> that's nothing, nothing. >> letting the tax cuts expire, people earning over $250,000, that's $50 billion. >> how do you do this then? >> raising dividends, capital gains, state taxes, you need $800 billion more. the only way to get there is enormous spending cuts or e enormous tax increases. we raise $1.1 trillion a year. we need $900 billion to close the gap. that's an 80% across the board tax increase. >> is it realistic to close the gap? >> you can't let debt continue to grow forever. you have to step in the right direction, and this is a two prong negotiating strategy for democrats. get $150 # million a year from the wealthy, and then negotiate on the other $800 billion. you should recognize tha
. the u.s. economy added 111,000 private sector jobs according to adp. a bit weaker than expected. because of impacts from hurricane sandy. the bank saying it is looking for ways to cut expenses. those cuts amount to 4% of the companies workforce and is estimated to save $1.1 billion every year. stocks now and every 15 minutes. nicole petallides. nicole: we are looking at a market that is to the downside. let's take a look at citigroup. it is about 4% of the workforce. citigroup is higher. it has had an up arrow throughout the day today. we saw the dow jones industrials this week to the downside. we had two consecutive days in selling. down arrows for the nasdaq. down 1.1%. connell: breaking news out of washington. earlier, speaker boehner speaking about the fiscal cliff. now it is president obama. let's listen. >> we have emerged not yet where we need to be, but we certainly have made progress. the reason we have made progress in part is because of the outstanding management and productivity and gains and efficiencies that you have been able to achieve in each and every one of your compan
powerful section of the economy, going to along for this ridiculous ride. >> you have to be careful, correct thaidon't think that hat president has ishe result of a huge electoral victory, it was od but not huge, where the hand comesrom is knowing the american people how they feel with respect to increases in taxes butqually as iortant. is how the cuts end upcoming wn, there areoioing to be cuts,ne other thing, charley. neil: do you think thereill be spending cuts ? >> definitely. it is going to happen. it --- it will be historic. il: not partf this deal. >> it will b historic. >> it will happen. neil: opening ga openi gam bet x hikes. >> not hpening. neil: really. >> think about how student this is -- stupid this is, there is no need to raise taxes, you don't get enough money, there is no bang for the buc neil: it is going to happen, this is stupid, i know where you are going. time tlet g. somebody needs a hug. >> give charlie a ug. >> oh, charlie. neil: i'm not making a statement i'm telng you, this is going to happen. i'm not a fan of -- i'm worried though, again to rick a point,
don't think it matters this is just a dog and pony show, the economy is in trouble. lou: thank you very much. appreciate it. on that happy note. >> thank you, lou. lou: what the bleep just happened. thank you. for us that is it good night from new york. neil: influential tea partier jim demint is leaving senate captain, and john boehner removing tea party party from all leadership posts first indicated it. stick a fork in him, the republican party as we know it is dead. i am neil cavuto, allow me to be so blunt to say, what else can you say about a light taken out of the party, republicans who 1 proudly school their tax drowned over decades, seeding that and then some over weeks, only real debate among the grand old party is how much to hike taxes, not if. i did not know they lost their backbone. starting 800 billion in tax hikes to match the president, shouldn't surprise anyone whether we doubled that to $1.6 trillion, that will become the new starts point for the president. new york times and front page story praising john boehner's grip to the party here, appears to be towing to
out the $800 billion? i for one, if you didn't care about the economy and you didn't care about the american people, you bet your life you can get $800 billion or trillion dollars out of raising -- eliminating deductions and tax credits. >> but conman, he kncongressman you muster all those deductions together they only amount to about $400 billion. >> i think we could do that. i think we can do it. first of all, you have to make certain that local and state tax deductions are not there. then you take away all the charitable deductions that we have. then you take away all of the mortgage deductions for the rich and the middle income, all that you have there. and then you start looking at the deductions that you have for children, for earned income tax credits, for the poor people that are there. if you really look at everything that so many americans have taken for granted and even if you don't reach the $800 billion, at least you will find out what is this man talking about. just don't say you can't do it, it's not arithmetic. give them a piece of chalk, go to the blackboard, an
of things are really getting better in the economy is food stamp use. food stamps are up to a record level. november showed 46 million people on food stamps. if things are getting better, how does that keep going up? >>guest: exactly. if you remember back during the campaign, obama was going around bragging saying, i saved detroit with the bailout. really? you saved detroit? is that why detroit is coming begging right now for money? it is insane. he is completely out of touch and he doesn't realize what this economy is like right now for every day folks. >>eric: thank you, michelle. >> there is supposed to be teaching for the kids but are they now towing the white house line? twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, ri
a commitment he made to the american people. he's doing something that he thinks will hurt the american economy, $800 million of tax on job creators, he's splitting his party, he's demoralizing his base and he's doing this to try to cut a deal that he can't in his heart really believe in. >> is it not better to at least try to come to sort of -- come off a little bit. but the president, by changing his goalpost, because first he said it was $800 billion when he was running for office, now it's 1.6, then the president said he wants to have a credit card with no limits in terms of the debt ceiling and the president looks as the term you used is arrogant. i think the president has a grudge because speaker boehner has said you want to get $800 billion from the rich. let me get $800 billion from the rich but instead of raising the tax rate, let me get $800 billion. the same people, the same amount, but i'll get them differently through closing loopholes and getting rid of some deductions. and the president, the white house said no i think because the president wants to rub his nose in it and extract
to stimulate the economy and keep rates low and that will favor stocks so stocks will take care of what is going on in the treasury market. liz: cap it with the hurricanes and the effect which a reverse from negative to positive at some point. >> you saw jobless claims are up but sandy will handicap it a bit. we will won't see a clean job number until next year. once again it will be at my number and will be waiting for the fed. >> oil coming downn it is simply a story of a lot of supply, less demand. >> that has been the story for the last year. we had plenty of demand, plenty of supply, demand is only deteriorated as we have gone through the year and entering the season without a lot of driving going on. when you take out the fear we have of things going on in syria or iran you see us treating at $78 as opposed to where we are now but -- [talking over each other] liz: when you push it out a couple months to the future of the market and look at the trend -- >> it looks to me like we should be trading $3 or $4 or $6 or $8 lower from here and look for the trend to continue as we go furth
raise these taxes, it will not hurt the economy. [talking over each other] stuart: bill clinton raised taxes and the economy took off. >> there are a lot of things that influence the economy. not just taxes. there are other things. there is no monetary policy, which was great under bill clinton. do not forget that bill clinton did welfare reform. one of the most historic acts over the last 50 years. do not forget that we caught government spending within those years. the problem with obama's proposals is he wants more. this idea that raising tax rates does not hurt the economy because, you can go ahead and spoke three packs of cigarettes a day for the rest of your life because i know somebody who did that and he did not get cancer. stuart: okay. that was very good. [ laughter ] now, i know why you have not been on the show very often. i am at a loss for words when you are done. stephen moore, i do hope you come back and see us soon. >> thank you, sir. stuart: here is an example of what i call tax hypocrisy. costco founder going to save because of the dividend payment this year. not nex
's going to have an impact on the economy? >> of course it is. it is-- well it's not the same as extending the bush tax cuts. it's part of the fiscal cliff, because just like all of these other things, stuart, people are trying to move income out of 2013, into 2012, which makes this year look a little bit better than it should, but what it means is that when we hit january 1st, 2013, the economy's going to collapse as far as i can tell. stuart: whoa, whoa, collapse is a strong word, art. >> collapse as low as we are, i agree. stuart: now, the obamacare tax change is a change in the tax rate. >> yes. stuart: that's something that the president's absolutely insisting on. he wants tax rates to go up for the top two income brackets and that's being forced by the republicans. they don't want the rate to go up. they'll pay more in overall revenue, but don't want the rate to go up. your comments please on the president's stand-fast position on raising tax rates? >> well, rates are where the real action is, i mean, if you broaden the base and lowered rates, tax revenues on the rich went up. you'd
can i do? if they say, what do you think? i say, low income rates, economy recovering slowly, housing coming back, if you stay through the turmoil, you'll have higher markets after its over, and maybe much higher so my view is yoo stay invested, broadly diversified, etfs to do it. >> you had me until much higher markets on the other side. what makes you think that? as an investor, it it's a higher tax, straightforward math. if you raise tax on dividends and capital gains, makes stocks less valuable in the long run, a less appetizing choice. you mentioned housing on the way back. holding assets for a long time, buy housing, gold stocks, something to sit? >> well, you have a diversify, and stocks are under owned, one. the monetary policy is predictable for years, and it's a low, low interest rate so now you say what are the relative choices? go by a high grade tax free bond, 3% interest. i can buy stocks, a 2%-plus dividend, could tax higher, but the dividends rise. i can get into a market cheaply if i believe earnings grow over time, say, the rest of the decade. that's my time horizon.
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